This month I have the pleasure of interviewing Sean Geist, an erotica author in the hotwife / cuckold genre. Sean is the author of many books, including his recent release, Cuckold’s Gift.
Sean, you’ve been at this a while, with 30-odd years of writing… what genres have you written in besides erotica?
First of all, I’d like to thank you for taking the time to interview me. This will be the first time I’ve ever discussed, in depth, my career as an erotica writer. I use a pseudonym, a few of my friends know I write dirty stories, but, for the most part, I keep my ‘vanilla’ life separate from my ‘mint chocolate chip’ life.
I say I’ve been writing for over 30 years, and it’s true. Back in my college days, the dark ages of the late 80’s, I started an epic fantasy novel. I got about 8 chapters into it, but I’ve never finished it. It’s sitting on my hard drive somewhere and hopefully in a file format I could recover someday. I’ve had a few articles published in gaming magazines; that’s Dungeons and Dragons, not poker. And I even have co-writing credit on a module for a role-playing game that, again, came out in the late 80’s.
That lead into a career as a news writer for TV stations in Savannah, Cedar Rapids, Phoenix, and Dallas. Most of these locations have been featured in my books; I think Savannah is the exception. I used some of my TV experience writing Pictures at Ten.
I started writing erotic fiction about six years ago.
I like your Sean Geist tagline, “for mature readers with immature tastes.” Do you think some kinds of erotica are more immature than others, and are there levels to the erotica genre?
To me, immature isn’t a derogatory word. I’m in my fifties and I still feel the same as I did in college. Mature people have stuffy office jobs. They follow the rules. They don’t make waves. Society says you should be mature. Society also says that erotica and pornography are bad. I think most people have a little immaturity in them. If you don’t, I don’t want to know you.
Let’s start with your latest book, Cuckold’s Gift. You jumped right in with the “cuckold” title, making no bones about what this story will entail. Have you found your readers prefer the cuckold stories more than ones that are more of a hotwife or swinger category?
When I started my latest book, I was going to call it The Gift. Then I said, fuck it, embrace what you’re doing. People who read my stories, I think, prefer the cuckold/cheating wife stories. My first trilogy is my best seller and it deals with a wife who actually has sex with another man behind her husband’s back, hoping he’ll never find out about it. He does, of course, and there lies the conflict.
I’ve found that there is a spectrum of hotwife/cuckold erotica. Not sure what goes on the left side, maybe flirting? I think every guy wants to believe his wife or girlfriend is desirable, not only to him, but to all other men. There are many stops on the graph: Flirting, touching, fucking, humiliation (taunting), all the way up to actual cuckolding. In Cuckold’s Gift, I wanted to take a couple from 0 on that kinky dial, all the way up to 11.
One of my editors commented that one day they’d like to see a story like this go in a different direction. In my story, the wife guesses right about what her husband was really into, what really turned him on. What if she was wrong? That would be a different story, more of a tragedy, and one I wasn’t interested in telling.
What was the impetus for your latest title with Glen and Trisha?
I tried to answer this question in the afterward to my story. I’m not sure what sparked the idea, but the story started with a wife wrapping up a gift. I don’t want to tell what that gift is, because I don’t want to give anything away. Trisha and Glen had a hotwife experience a year prior, but haven’t been able to repeat it. The main conflict involves Trisha taking matters into her own hands. That, to me, is hot as hell. I like women who know what they want and reach for it.
What initially drew you to writing these types of cuckold stories?
I like reading hotwife/cuckold stories, and I write the kind of stories I like to read. I’ve found I can enjoy just about all levels in this genre, save for extreme humiliation. I’ve being reading Penthouse Letters since forever. They were the first real erotic fiction I was exposed to; yes, most of them are fiction. I was first drawn to girl on girl stories, but later found myself enjoying men spying on their women cheating. I don’t know why.
I’ve found that everyone has a kink, and I’ll never shame anyone for that kink. My philosophy is, any sex that involves any number of consenting adults is good sex. For me, there’s nothing more erotic than a woman, or man, feeling comfortable enough to seek out sexual fulfillment.
I’d like to go back to one of your older works, “The Things We Do for Lust,” a 3-book series which came out in 2014 and has stood the test of time. In Book 1 of this series, the married couple Robin and Peter meet a stranger, Scott, while on their anniversary trip in Las Vegas. Right after meeting Scott, Peter gives his wife a moment alone with Scott while he goes to their room. I found this significant as the passage below begins to explain what’s happening in Peters head:
Mostly I was feeling jealous that Scott was getting so much attention. It was like I was a f—-ing 12-year-old kid again, crying about the local bully stealing my bike. I had to grow up. Beyond the rising anxiety I also found my ego boosted by having such a beautiful and interesting wife. A woman other men could only dream of being with.
There is always a struggle to understand this complex emotion of wanting another man to desire your wife, while at the same time feeling insecure. Some authors get this right nearly all the time, some don’t. Can you give readers a bit more of an explanation on those moments? Maybe an opportunity to finally tell instead of show what this dual emotion means that you’ve written so extensively about?
This is a tough one. I’d like to think each of my characters is unique, and if another man was put in Peter’s position he’d act differently. I think when I was writing TTWDFL I wanted to show how a man could evolve in how he saw his wife. Lots of guys want to own women. I’m not like that, and I hate that attitude. In the story, I wanted to illustrate a man realizing that his wife was a sexual being, separate from him, but who loved him and wanted to share her life with him. Then along comes Scott, and conflict ensues. Now, I couldn’t expect Peter to realize that his wife still loved him; his attention was focused on the betrayal. That meant I had to bring in another character. Kelly became my Virgil, guiding Peter through the hell he was facing.
If there’s one thing I want to get across to my readers, here it is. It’s perfectly natural to feel hurt when a spouse cheats. One’s first reaction may be to call a divorce lawyer. I say, wait. Talk it out. Find out why they cheated and see if that’s something that can expand your relationship, not kill it. I dismount my soap box.
Do you think that emotion what makes cuckold erotica so powerful? Or does there need to be something more to make it a cuckold story, like some sort of demeaning action by the wife toward the husband?
If you want my honest opinion, a story isn’t a true cuckold story if there isn’t a chance of the woman getting pregnant. I mean, that’s the definition. Otherwise, it’s just a hotwife story. That’s the direct answer to this question. Humiliation is a part of it. It drives the needles into the red.
Emotion is what makes a good story though. If a husband or boyfriend doesn’t feel some level of jealousy what’s the point. Watching the woman you love brought to sexual climax by another man has to hurt, and it’s that pain that makes the experience worth while. For me, that jealous sting is like a spice that adds flavor. There are people who search for the hottest peppers they can find. They’re painful to eat, but the sensation is thrilling. I remember once, my father eating such a hot pepper that it caused rashes on his mouth, but he was enjoying it so much he didn’t notice until much later. The pain was worth it to him, and probably part of what made the experience enjoyable. In cuckold erotica, the pain of betrayal, the sense that another man is impregnating your wife, is what makes the dish taste so good.
Do you think a sense of cheating is required to make a good hotwife or cuckold story?
Not everyone likes a cheating wife story. I do. Again, it shows the woman has agency. She’s not waiting for her husband to give her permission to do something. Not every relationship could withstand this. Not every wife would want to cheat. That’s fine, but it’s not the story I’m telling.
In this same book, Robin starts off a like-able character, and a fun time to be around. Then she immediately takes a turn, telling her husband she needs space on their anniversary, and spends the day with her new friend, Scott. Clearly, she has other things on her mind. Do you think the series couldn’t have unfolded the way it did if Robin was more of a traditional wife, remaining by her husband’s side during their trip? Or did she have to have some element of wanting her space to explore some types of activities she later does? (i.e., can a “good” wife go bad, or does she always have to have a bit of “bad” to begin with?)
I like Robin. A lot of my readers think she’s a b**ch. Can’t blame them. She does act selfishly. She cheated on her husband. But she was willing to end it there. Peter’s the one who pushed her for a second encounter, could have ended with one event. Robin always had a little ‘bad’ in her, if you consider a woman going after a man she wants, ‘bad’. I explore her and Peter’s courtship in the third book. It was her actions that lead to their first date. I tried to give her a back story to give the readers some hint that she really is a ‘good’ woman. Not sure all of them saw her that way.
Can a ‘good’ wife go bad? Yes, of course. There are lots of men who love to seduce women. Then again, all humans, women and men, have a little bad in them. Otherwise, they’re just robots.
This was such a fantastic interview with Sean Geist, but we’re going to need to take a pause. There’s so much more to cover. Be sure to check back next month to learn about Sean Geist’s newest project, and his thoughts on if stories in erotica actually happen in real life.
In the meantime, be sure to check out his latest title, Cuckold’s Gift.
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